Spoilers ahoy. OK, here's what bugged me, aside from the verisimilitude problems of Veronica and Logan not becoming at least twice as famous as Kato Kaelin for her role in the Aaron Echolls trial (and the utter lack of consequences for Duncan's kidnapping of his ugly baby).
1. Amber noted this: how on earth is it that VM hasn't slept with Logan yet? Logan (who'd been dating Lily) lives in a mansion alone now; VM is home alone with her father in the hospital; and all they're doing is making out in the backseat?
2. Why aren't there bits and pieces of Curly embedded in the hood and windshield of Beaver's car?
3. If I'm the police, and I find Aaron Echolls assassinated, aren't I going to think of Logan (who had at least two separate motives) or Veronica or Keith as suspects?
4. Where does Duncan get the money to pull off a hit?
5. How is Beaver so helpless to deal with a car-keying? And why isn't he seeking more revenge against his brother?
6. What did Kendall put in Logan's hotel drain?
7. Who planted the Oscar?
8. How did Beaver get access to Woody's hangars and auto?
9. Beaver's motive for the bus-bombing makes no sense: how would he be exposed unless he had already told the other two victims? How did the three find each other in the first place? Why wouldn't he simply deny it if he was outed as a victim rather than engage (on short notice!) in an elaborate scheme to blow up a school-bus?
10. If Beaver's motive for hiring Veronica earlier in the season was to bring down his father, why go to his father with the surveillance rather than let the SEC get to him? (And if Kendall was in on the scheme with Casablancas, why isn't the SEC after her?)
11. How come Logan has a gun when he rescues VM at the pool hall, but not when he's on the hotel roof?
Grrr all around. Especially with the Fitzpatrick red herring whereby noone in the gang suffers any consequences, though perhaps that gets resolved this season.
1. She still had hangups over her rape/whatever. And girls without daddy issues tend to wait longer to become sexually active. VM has the fewest daddy issues of a fiction character ever.
2. Um. He didn't hit him that hard, and the fall killed Curley? (VM's fantasy wasn't right in the details.) He washed off what blood there was.
3. Depending on how well time of death can be established, Veronica and Logan have a pretty good "I was busy fighting for my life on the roof" alibi. Keith's is even better.
4. It's not clear to me Duncan is on the run without parental permission. Surely after he left they would be in character to accept his past crimes and send him money; they were willing to keep him out of jail for the murder of his sister, after all. But the real answer is that he didn't pay CW a dime. Wiedman was willing to fake evidence for the family, rather beyond his job description, and we know he probably killed Delongpre's murderer out of a sense of justice or professional courtesy. Agreeing to kill Aaron at Duncan's request is perfectly in character.
5. Your real question is "who is Susan"? (Or whatever the girl's name was he used to chase Dick off during Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough. Clearly he has a past history of vicious revenge that scared Dick off. What was it?)
6. Kendall used tweezers to get hair out of Duncan's drain. She went left into Duncan's room, not right into Logan's.
7. Kendall. It was part of her implied deal with Aaron. The real question is were they got Lilly's blood (or something DNAish), which was also supposed to be on the statue.
8. This was the dumbest red herring of many in the story line for far too many reasons. However, the hangar wasn't obviously locked when Jackie and Veronica dropped by to get a car. The cars are locked, and presumably whatever minimal security is at the air field should deter most vandals. What random kids would be out looking in the hangar, anyway?
9. I agree it made no sense, but presumably all three were molested at the same time (they were on the team together), so the other two knew without him telling them. Denial doesn't erase the stigma. Still, I agree it's a thin reason to kill two people, let alone accept the collateral damage of the other kids. More problematically, why did they write him as a wholly evil criminal mastermind who was unbelievable, rather than a tragic figure who got too deep? They could have made the final confrontation 20x more believable and more meaningful if they'd gone that direction.
10. He wanted his father to have to flee, but not in prison? This is hardly as bad a retcon as having Beaver be Veronica's rapist, though. Complain about that!
11. The gun is incase he's attacked in the car where he's vulnerable (and has already faced a drive by), not in the town's fanciest and most secure hotel. Furthermore, the utility of physically carrying around an unloaded gun that's good only for a threat is low; he probably just tossed it in the glove box, forgot about it, had a moment of inspiration at the River Stix, then tossed it back in the glove box and forgot about it. And Veronica said "come to the roof," not anything about danger.
The Fitzpatrick's were a red herring as far as the main story, but obviously not for the Logan/Weevil storylines. The thing I most hated was reopening the rape resolution, which had been nicely done. That past excellent episode is now substantially weakened.
I never thought the rape episode was all that neatly wrapped up; it struck me at the time that VM was taking the alibis of her potential rapists and dismissing them as suspects awfully quickly, and it was actually the thing that bothered me most about the first season. Thus, the Cassidy-was-the-rapist retro-mystery-solution didn't bother me so much as the whole trial sequence (how does chlamydia enter into witness credibility?), which I also didn't complain about.
Kendall going to the drain now makes sense. But you don't hit a 200+-pound guy hard enough to bounce him off your windshield without doing serious damage to your car. I had enough low-speed collisions backing into poles and other parking garage protrusions in my old Chevy Malibu in California to know that.
I agree that she was too believing in each instance, but having found that Duncan did the deed at the end, it does seem implausible to me that it happened to her twice in one night. Did Beaver put her clothes back on? (Duncan slept with her for a while afterwards (till dawn?) so Beaver was presumably first, but maybe I need to rewatch to be sure). To be graphically blunt, they also waved away any broken hymen evidence/complications. (Yes, I know how that is possibly realistic. Still.) But given at least one of the guy wasn't using a condom, I'm still more ticked about the "DNA test? what DNA test?" issue. See also Troy's weird fear in The Rapes of Graff. Dude, you're going to be cleared in the end, no matter what hair and fibers you left on her.
Oh, and I'm waiting for a full throated blasting of One Angry Veronica. Juror tampering, total disregard of reasonable doubt, and the worst prosecutor of all time, apparently. Ugh. The TWOP recaps are wrong on a lot of their legal complaints, but they were dead right on the awfulness of that episode.
1. She was off and on and off with Duncan up to the point that the Echolls mansion was burned down, was she not? Add to that the continued reappearance of Kendall in their shared Neptune Grand suite, which left the intended sour taste.
2. He had an income thanks to his real-estate scheme with Kendall; he could get a car fixed.
3. Sure, but can you pull them in so quickly? Plus, Neptunes police department is pretty hit-and-miss.
4. Xena, Warrior Special Agent knows that Veronica pawned at least one item of his mother's for cash; there could've been others.
5. He's an unstable bozo.
6, 7. Dylan's got these two covered.
8. IIRC, the hanger and cars belonged to Terrence Cook, not Woody. The explosives were supposed to A) make Cook look guiltier and B) firm up the source of the explosives, i.e. the Irish mobsters whose names I forget. Later we find out that Beaver got the explosives from Curly Moran, who, I dunno, may have worked on Terrence's cars. The common element is that explosives end up in the vinicity of motor vehicles (Beaver tried a car bomb on Woody, and it was found, right?), and it would've been nice if Beaver had been given a little background to suggest he had spent some time in a grease pit.
9. Because on TV, elaborate murder is the only kind of murder worth committing, especially in close proximity to a reknowned detective. Face it, TV detectives are initially stumped by multiple killings because they initially can't tell who the intended target is, and therefore cannot rely on their usual triangle of motive/means/opportunity. If you happen to live in town with Hercule Poirot, Miss Marple, Jessica Fletcher, Monk, or Veronica Mars, you'd better get ready to kill in order to cover up a killing.
10: best guess: because his father was yet another person who treated him like less than a man (as evidenced by the invitation to Logan, and not Beaver, to go shooting), and Beaver wanted any kind of supervision out of the way. (As for Kendall, maybe she rolled on her contact, the County Assessor.)
11. Erm... he actually took to heart the tongue-lashing he got from VM for carrying the gun in the first place? Dunno.
8. IIRC, the hanger and cars belonged to Terrence Cook, not Woody.
The hangar belonged to Woody, the cars to Terrence. Jackie told Veronica that Woody lent the space to her dad for storage. That was part of the reason you were, if retarded, supposed to suspect Woody (or justify Veronica's belief) - he had access/knowledge necessary to plant the evidence. Whereas with Beaver, I don't see how he would have known the cars were there in the first place... Oh, wait, he did bomb the plane (like all good 16-17 year old diabolical masterminds), so I guess he would have known what was at the airfield.
Well, of course "One Angry Veronica" was ludicrous, but the show's conception of the legal system has been ridiculous since the very beginning; if I was going to get upset about that, I'd be upset that Veronica Mars hasn't been sued into bankruptcy and jailed several times over for various HIPAA and wiretapping and computer-crime violations.
I'd also get upset that the show seems to think that jewelry is easily fungible, when in fact it depreciates about 70% the minute it leaves the store. And Dylan correctly notes the surprising lack of rape exam kits in the greater Neptune area.
Kendall wasn't popping up in the Grand suite until after Veronica broke up with Logan, so the Logan-Kendall affair doesn't explain why Logan and Veronica never slept together; if anything, it demonstrates why it's so unlikely that he didn't push the issue.
Remember that prior to the start of the series Veronica spent several months (at least) dating Duncan and thinking he was the true lover of her life before he dumped her. They didn't have sex during that time. So you're confused that Veronica wouldn't jump in bed with Logan during the few months they dated after she'd traumatically resolved her quasi-rape by his best friend? I realize there's a big pro-sex constituency that's offended by this, but she's just not that easy. Remember, her rep is entirely fabricated based on her roofie night.
The prior-to-the-start-of-the-series Veronica was 16 with a stable family life who was dating a virgin, as opposed to an independent 18-year-old with a car who had caught her mother having an affair and a sexually-active boyfriend who lives alone in a mansion, which is what we're talking about in the relevant timeframe with Logan. (Cf. also VM following in the footsteps of Lily to go skinny-dipping in S1.) That VM isn't having sex in the context of the first situation is much more plausible than the latter situation; even Hannah jumped into bed with Logan pretty quickly, and she was more inexperienced than VM was. (NB also Meg's sexual relationship with Duncan in a relatively short timeframe, and she had severely strict parents.)
It's not impossible for their relationship to be non-sexual, to be sure, but one would think it a source of relationship tension; that it was never explored just made me surprised when everyone else interpreted the scenario as unconsummated.
You've just proved my point, actually - Hannah and Meg both had daddy issues. Girls with health, stable relationships with their fathers tend not to have sex early. Veronica's sexual history is congruent both with that particular trend and her individual circumstances.
During Aaron Echolls' trial, as Veronica was on the stand and her medical record was admitted, was that not also a violation of HIPAA? It seemed implausible to me that it would be admissable or that Echolls could get it through legal channels. Don't get me wrong, as Ted points out, Veronica's no bit-player in the privacy-invasion business.
I think the conceit of Private Investigators on television is that they get away with everything as long as nothing goes to court, which is generally the case with PI shows, because otherwise they'd be court shows. Philip Marlowe may have called the cops when the time was right, even though they beat him up half the time, whereas TV detectives either have a friend on the force (Rockford) or spent their lives butting heads with credit-seeking cops who made a lot of threats and bluster but occasionally acknowledged that it was the PI wot solved the case. Veronica has (had? I forget if he was on the plane) Lamb, who is somewhere in between, but more than willing to lock her up if the evidence comes in.
I noticed that the actor who plays Sheriff Lamb was in the JAG episode that introduced the NCIS squad, as a Marine prosecutor. Not sure if his character was intended to be a series regular, but they shuffed the cast before the first episode either way. He's great on VM.
I always saw Logan/Veronica as a product of that sweet rush of chemicals coming from their constant conflicts, but if it didn't put them into bed immediately, I suspect it might not've at all. Plus both of them were a bit traumatized in between-- she was attacked by a murderous actor and nearly burned to death, while he was beaten by bikers and accused of murdering one. Probably soured the relationship a little. Meanwhile Duncan spent plenty of time getting on her mind before they were dating again.
Amber and I agree that there's no way the chlamydia gets into evidence; the only way the defense could have legitimately found out was through the deposition, so that it wouldn't be a surprise at trial. But it still doesn't get into evidence -- though it's possible the prosecution was stupid enough to waive the objection if one is looking for the sort of saving grace that says Cassidy can run over a guy without leaving any car paint embedded in his body or damage to his vehicle.
There was a bad deus ex machina with the Echolls trial; in 1-22, Aaron clubs the anonymous homeowner on the head and sets his place on fire. That witness has got a huge civil suit against Echolls--what the heck kind of payoff would it take to get the homeowner to leave the jurisdiction untraceably, and wouldn't that be grounds for an obstruction charge? (If something sinister was done, that was never shown, much less explained how Aaron could get away with it.) But, as Dylan points out, Neptune prosecutors are apparently incompetent.
Logan has much more to resent VM about than vice versa, given that she ratted him out to police and thought him Lily's murderer.
Also, Alicia best not be getting back together with Keith.
It occurred to me that if Beaver was close enough to Curly to get explosives from him, Curly was probably his mechanic (per TWoP, Curly was certainly his dad's mechanic). Could be touchy, taking his Curly-smashing car into the shop:
"Hey Beav, we haven't seen Curly for days; have you heard from him?"
"Nope, not a word. So, how about you fix this major dent in my hood, and replace the shattered windshield?"
1. Amber noted this: how on earth is it that VM hasn't slept with Logan yet? Logan (who'd been dating Lily) lives in a mansion alone now; VM is home alone with her father in the hospital; and all they're doing is making out in the backseat?
2. Why aren't there bits and pieces of Curly embedded in the hood and windshield of Beaver's car?
3. If I'm the police, and I find Aaron Echolls assassinated, aren't I going to think of Logan (who had at least two separate motives) or Veronica or Keith as suspects?
4. Where does Duncan get the money to pull off a hit?
5. How is Beaver so helpless to deal with a car-keying? And why isn't he seeking more revenge against his brother?
6. What did Kendall put in Logan's hotel drain?
7. Who planted the Oscar?
8. How did Beaver get access to Woody's hangars and auto?
9. Beaver's motive for the bus-bombing makes no sense: how would he be exposed unless he had already told the other two victims? How did the three find each other in the first place? Why wouldn't he simply deny it if he was outed as a victim rather than engage (on short notice!) in an elaborate scheme to blow up a school-bus?
10. If Beaver's motive for hiring Veronica earlier in the season was to bring down his father, why go to his father with the surveillance rather than let the SEC get to him? (And if Kendall was in on the scheme with Casablancas, why isn't the SEC after her?)
11. How come Logan has a gun when he rescues VM at the pool hall, but not when he's on the hotel roof?
Grrr all around. Especially with the Fitzpatrick red herring whereby noone in the gang suffers any consequences, though perhaps that gets resolved this season.
2. Um. He didn't hit him that hard, and the fall killed Curley? (VM's fantasy wasn't right in the details.) He washed off what blood there was.
3. Depending on how well time of death can be established, Veronica and Logan have a pretty good "I was busy fighting for my life on the roof" alibi. Keith's is even better.
4. It's not clear to me Duncan is on the run without parental permission. Surely after he left they would be in character to accept his past crimes and send him money; they were willing to keep him out of jail for the murder of his sister, after all. But the real answer is that he didn't pay CW a dime. Wiedman was willing to fake evidence for the family, rather beyond his job description, and we know he probably killed Delongpre's murderer out of a sense of justice or professional courtesy. Agreeing to kill Aaron at Duncan's request is perfectly in character.
5. Your real question is "who is Susan"? (Or whatever the girl's name was he used to chase Dick off during Ain't No Magic Mountain High Enough. Clearly he has a past history of vicious revenge that scared Dick off. What was it?)
6. Kendall used tweezers to get hair out of Duncan's drain. She went left into Duncan's room, not right into Logan's.
7. Kendall. It was part of her implied deal with Aaron. The real question is were they got Lilly's blood (or something DNAish), which was also supposed to be on the statue.
8. This was the dumbest red herring of many in the story line for far too many reasons. However, the hangar wasn't obviously locked when Jackie and Veronica dropped by to get a car. The cars are locked, and presumably whatever minimal security is at the air field should deter most vandals. What random kids would be out looking in the hangar, anyway?
9. I agree it made no sense, but presumably all three were molested at the same time (they were on the team together), so the other two knew without him telling them. Denial doesn't erase the stigma. Still, I agree it's a thin reason to kill two people, let alone accept the collateral damage of the other kids. More problematically, why did they write him as a wholly evil criminal mastermind who was unbelievable, rather than a tragic figure who got too deep? They could have made the final confrontation 20x more believable and more meaningful if they'd gone that direction.
10. He wanted his father to have to flee, but not in prison? This is hardly as bad a retcon as having Beaver be Veronica's rapist, though. Complain about that!
11. The gun is incase he's attacked in the car where he's vulnerable (and has already faced a drive by), not in the town's fanciest and most secure hotel. Furthermore, the utility of physically carrying around an unloaded gun that's good only for a threat is low; he probably just tossed it in the glove box, forgot about it, had a moment of inspiration at the River Stix, then tossed it back in the glove box and forgot about it. And Veronica said "come to the roof," not anything about danger.
The Fitzpatrick's were a red herring as far as the main story, but obviously not for the Logan/Weevil storylines. The thing I most hated was reopening the rape resolution, which had been nicely done. That past excellent episode is now substantially weakened.
Kendall going to the drain now makes sense. But you don't hit a 200+-pound guy hard enough to bounce him off your windshield without doing serious damage to your car. I had enough low-speed collisions backing into poles and other parking garage protrusions in my old Chevy Malibu in California to know that.
2. He had an income thanks to his real-estate scheme with Kendall; he could get a car fixed.
3. Sure, but can you pull them in so quickly? Plus, Neptunes police department is pretty hit-and-miss.
4. Xena, Warrior Special Agent knows that Veronica pawned at least one item of his mother's for cash; there could've been others.
5. He's an unstable bozo.
6, 7. Dylan's got these two covered.
8. IIRC, the hanger and cars belonged to Terrence Cook, not Woody. The explosives were supposed to A) make Cook look guiltier and B) firm up the source of the explosives, i.e. the Irish mobsters whose names I forget. Later we find out that Beaver got the explosives from Curly Moran, who, I dunno, may have worked on Terrence's cars. The common element is that explosives end up in the vinicity of motor vehicles (Beaver tried a car bomb on Woody, and it was found, right?), and it would've been nice if Beaver had been given a little background to suggest he had spent some time in a grease pit.
9. Because on TV, elaborate murder is the only kind of murder worth committing, especially in close proximity to a reknowned detective. Face it, TV detectives are initially stumped by multiple killings because they initially can't tell who the intended target is, and therefore cannot rely on their usual triangle of motive/means/opportunity. If you happen to live in town with Hercule Poirot, Miss Marple, Jessica Fletcher, Monk, or Veronica Mars, you'd better get ready to kill in order to cover up a killing.
10: best guess: because his father was yet another person who treated him like less than a man (as evidenced by the invitation to Logan, and not Beaver, to go shooting), and Beaver wanted any kind of supervision out of the way. (As for Kendall, maybe she rolled on her contact, the County Assessor.)
11. Erm... he actually took to heart the tongue-lashing he got from VM for carrying the gun in the first place? Dunno.
The hangar belonged to Woody, the cars to Terrence. Jackie told Veronica that Woody lent the space to her dad for storage. That was part of the reason you were, if retarded, supposed to suspect Woody (or justify Veronica's belief) - he had access/knowledge necessary to plant the evidence. Whereas with Beaver, I don't see how he would have known the cars were there in the first place... Oh, wait, he did bomb the plane (like all good 16-17 year old diabolical masterminds), so I guess he would have known what was at the airfield.
I'd also get upset that the show seems to think that jewelry is easily fungible, when in fact it depreciates about 70% the minute it leaves the store. And Dylan correctly notes the surprising lack of rape exam kits in the greater Neptune area.
Kendall wasn't popping up in the Grand suite until after Veronica broke up with Logan, so the Logan-Kendall affair doesn't explain why Logan and Veronica never slept together; if anything, it demonstrates why it's so unlikely that he didn't push the issue.
It's not impossible for their relationship to be non-sexual, to be sure, but one would think it a source of relationship tension; that it was never explored just made me surprised when everyone else interpreted the scenario as unconsummated.
I think the conceit of Private Investigators on television is that they get away with everything as long as nothing goes to court, which is generally the case with PI shows, because otherwise they'd be court shows. Philip Marlowe may have called the cops when the time was right, even though they beat him up half the time, whereas TV detectives either have a friend on the force (Rockford) or spent their lives butting heads with credit-seeking cops who made a lot of threats and bluster but occasionally acknowledged that it was the PI wot solved the case. Veronica has (had? I forget if he was on the plane) Lamb, who is somewhere in between, but more than willing to lock her up if the evidence comes in.
I noticed that the actor who plays Sheriff Lamb was in the JAG episode that introduced the NCIS squad, as a Marine prosecutor. Not sure if his character was intended to be a series regular, but they shuffed the cast before the first episode either way. He's great on VM.
I always saw Logan/Veronica as a product of that sweet rush of chemicals coming from their constant conflicts, but if it didn't put them into bed immediately, I suspect it might not've at all. Plus both of them were a bit traumatized in between-- she was attacked by a murderous actor and nearly burned to death, while he was beaten by bikers and accused of murdering one. Probably soured the relationship a little. Meanwhile Duncan spent plenty of time getting on her mind before they were dating again.
There was a bad deus ex machina with the Echolls trial; in 1-22, Aaron clubs the anonymous homeowner on the head and sets his place on fire. That witness has got a huge civil suit against Echolls--what the heck kind of payoff would it take to get the homeowner to leave the jurisdiction untraceably, and wouldn't that be grounds for an obstruction charge? (If something sinister was done, that was never shown, much less explained how Aaron could get away with it.) But, as Dylan points out, Neptune prosecutors are apparently incompetent.
Logan has much more to resent VM about than vice versa, given that she ratted him out to police and thought him Lily's murderer.
Also, Alicia best not be getting back together with Keith.
"Hey Beav, we haven't seen Curly for days; have you heard from him?"
"Nope, not a word. So, how about you fix this major dent in my hood, and replace the shattered windshield?"
Awkward!